- Violent mobs attacked Shahzad Masih and his five months pregnant wife Shama after a Muslim co-worker at the brick kiln accused them of defiling the Holy Quran
- Murdered woman’s father says govt initiated FIR on its own, buried remains of the couple hastily at midnight ‘as if they were thieves’
- PM orders Punjab CM to show no mercy to killers as police arrest 44 accused
Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif on Wednesday directed Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif to show no mercy to the murderers of a Christian couple accused of blasphemy in Kot Radha Kishan near Lahore, as police arrested at least 44 persons in connection with the incident which has shocked people in Pakistan and across the world.
Commanded from mosque loudspeakers, a violent Muslim mob killed the Christian couple on Tuesday after a Muslim co-worker at the brick kiln, where they both worked as bonded labourers, accused the pregnant wife of defiling the Holy Quran.
Family sources told Pakistan Today that the lives of Shama Bibi, 28, and her husband Shahzad Masih, 32, could have been saved if they had fled the kiln on Monday after the Quran desecration charges were made against them.
The couple lived and worked at a brick kiln owned by Chaudhry Yousuf Gujjar in Chak 59 village near Kot Radha Kishan, some 60 kilometres from Lahore. They had four children while Shama was five months pregnant.
On Sunday, Shama, whose original name is Saima, was cleaning her quarters when she found amulets of her late father-in-law, who had used them in the practice black magic.
“Shama burned the amulets and some other related material, assuming that this was the best way to get rid of ‘evil stuff,’” her father Mukhtar Masih told Pakistan Today.
“She later threw the ashes on a garbage heap outside their quarters when Muhammad Irfan, a Muslim co-worker, noticed some half-burnt pieces of paper from the amulets and raised a clamor, claiming that Shahzad’s family had desecrated Quranic pages.”
Mukhtar said that Shahzad and his five brothers worked for many years at Gujjar’s brick kiln.
As word spread about the alleged blasphemy, the brothers went to Gujjar and informed him about their fears.
“Gujjar assured them that he would protect them but on the other hand he asked his Munshi (accountant) not to let the family flee the village without paying back their bond money,” said Mukhtar.
By Monday night, some villagers had informed the police of the alleged desecration and warned of a possible attack on the Christian couple as announcements were being made on mosque loudspeakers calling on “all faithful” to avenge the alleged blasphemy. At about 6:30am on Tuesday, angry protesters had started gathering near the kiln.
There are conflicting accounts of the incident that took place afterwards.
According to one report which quotes Shahzad Masih’s sister-in-law Parveen, the angry mob forced their way into the couple’s quarters while all the other Christian employees, except Shama’s sister Yasmeen (married to Shahzad’s brother Fiaz Masih) fled the scene sensing danger.
According to Yasmeen, some men entered the quarters and one of them dragged Shama out.
“Shama had their youngest daughter Poonam in her arms. The man snatched Poonam and threw her on the floor…In the meantime, brick kiln guard Muhammad Akram rescued Shama and took her to the kiln office (only a few yards away from their quarters) and locked her in there,” the report quotes Parveen.
“Shama was crying and screaming for help. Akram then went for her husband and asked him to join Shama in the room to console her, as he assured them that soon they would be taken out – after the protesters dispersed,” Parveen is quoted as saying.
On the other hand, Mukhtar Masih told Pakistan Today that the couple had been led to the room together by Akram, who he identified as a Munshi (accountant). He could not confirm Parveen’s statement that Shahzad was brought to the room after Shama.
Meanwhile, thousands of people armed with clubs, hatchets and axes from five surrounding villages – Chak 60, Rosey, Pailan, Nawan Pindi and Hatnian – of Chak 59 also arrived at the brick kiln on tractor-trolleys and other vehicles.
“Akram had locked the main kiln office door from the outside, but the angry protesters broke in anyway. But they failed to break the iron door of the office, which Shama and Shahzad had locked from inside. The angry protesters then climbed on to the roof and broke it in,” Mukhtar said, quoting his daughter Yasmeen, who had witnessed the entire incident.
According to Yasmeen, the mob then opened the door from inside and brought the couple into the open, where the highly-charged protesters were baying for their blood.
“They beat them with wooden clubs on their heads, and hatchets, before they were both tied to a tractor and pulled out onto an under-construction road covered with crushed stones,” Mukhtar said, adding that according to Yasmeen, Shama had succumbed to the torture while Shahzad was unconscious, but still breathing.
“The mob then took some petrol from the tractor and doused their bodies and threw them in the kiln,” he said, adding that Yasmeen had told the family that five policemen, who were deployed by the local police for maintaining law and order, shied away from taking charge of the situation.
Heavy contingents of police arrived at the scene after the mob had killed the couple.
The police themselves filed the case and lodged the First Information Report [No. 475/14], registered in Kot Radha Kishan Police Station by ASI Muhammad Ali of Chowki Factory Area Kot Radha Kishan. The FIR was registered under sections 302/436, 201/148, 149/353, 186 of the Pakistan Penal Code and Section 7 of the Anti-Terrorism Act (ATA).
It states that 500 to 600 men tortured the Christian couple and names 53 men, including Yousuf Gujjar, Munshi Shakeel, Munshi Afzal, Muhammad Akram, Mehdi Khan and Ramzan, besides hundreds of “unidentified men”.
“The incident took place after the above-nominated persons gathered a crowd of people and roused their passion though false announcements from the mosque (loudspeakers) of desecration of the Quran,” states the FIR.
MOSQUE IMAM INCITED CROWD:
According to Kasur District Police Officer Jawad Qamar, the murders were incited by the Imam of a local mosque. He did not disclose the Imam’s name.
“We have arrested 44 people, including Yousuf Gujjar. It was a local issue incited by the mullah,” Qamar said, adding that no particular sectarian group or religious outfit was behind the attack.
FAMILY UNSURE ABOUT JUSTICE:
On the other hand, the poor family suffered another shock when the remains of the couple were hastily buried at midnight.
“Last night (Tuesday night) when I left the village, it had been decided that the funeral would be held the next day. But instead it was hastily done at midnight, as if our children were thieves. Also, my daughter Yasmeen is the eyewitness of the entire incident, but her name is not included in the police’s filed FIR, so how can we know the state is committed to providing us justice?”
Strongly fearing that the government would try to hush up the matter, Mukhtar Masih on Wednesday filed a petition in the Lahore High Court against the State’s decision to become the complainant.
The Pakistani Christian community has already seen the government’s lack of seriousness in providing justice to them in the arson case of Joseph Colony in Lahore in which more than 150 homes were torched by violent Muslim mobs over blasphemy charges on a illiterate Christian man.
All major acts of religious terrorism against Christians, including Joseph Colony arson in March 2013, Gojra carnage in 2009, and previous killings at Shanti Nagar in Khanewal and Bamnianwala, have taken place under Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz governments, which is often accused of having a soft corner for banned Islamist extremist outfits based in Punjab.
SHOW NO MERCY:
Meanwhile, Prime Minister Sharif on Wednesday said the murderers of the Christian couple accused of blasphemy will be brought to justice.
“The brutal murder of the Christian couple in Kot Radha Krishan is an unacceptable crime,” the premier stated.
“A responsible state cannot tolerate mob rule and public lynching with impunity,” he added.
Nawaz Sharif directed Punjab Chief Minister Shahbaz Sharif to show no mercy and allow the law to take its course to punish those responsible.
“The Pakistani state has to act proactively to protect its minorities from violence and injustice. We must promote religious and ethnic diversity in our society as a virtue,” the PM further said.
Shahbaz Sharif has already formed a three-member committee to expedite the investigation of the killings and ordered police to beef up security in Christian neighbourhoods in the province.
What kind of barbaric people are we Pakistanis? R.I.P.
This woman had three children and she was pregnant with a forth when they murdered her?…what a completely barbaric nation…all Pakistanis should hang their heads in shame for their intolerance and mob rule…who is the mullah that enflamed the crowd?…where will be the punishment for this atrocity committed in the name of Islam?…
I am a pakistani and i strongly condemn what happened. My family condemns it. Sane preachers of Islam condemn it. Infact, nothing like this is taught even in Quran. Please refrain from hasty generalization and stirring up hatred about us. 🙂
When Ali commits crime, Islam is guilty. When John commits a crime, John is guilty!
Islam does not allow us to even kill an insect uselessly. Nonmuslims are humans too, please treat them with humanity.we can invite them to islam but only with a decent dialogue, not forcefully.
This has become a broken record and no one except some deluded dull people may believe it. Islam killed 80 million Hindus (Bill Durrant's book on Indian Civilization), destroyed ancient Universities and libraries in Nalnanda (the oldest seat of learning in the word was detroyed by Koran carrying Muslims), Islam destroyed advanced civilizations in in Egypt, Babylonian (Iraq) and Persia. Islam butchered Zoroastrians, some fled to India. But then you do not see the truth as it destroys you whole belief system. Please check the history and give civilised researched replies.
Yes, non-Muslims are human, too. But Muslims are not. Muslims are animals.
Please Nudrat…we do not want to be associated with your religion! Actions speak louder than words!
Please don't forget the ku klux klan, anti-semetism and whatnot. We never said 'christianity' was responsible for it. Please Judge religions only after READING THE RESPECTIVE SACRED BOOKS. Holy Quran teaches no such barbaric thing. I am a muslim and i condemn this incident.
You say actions speak louder than words? So tomorrow if i am pose as a christian and kill a few people willy nilly, will that action supersede 'actual teachings of christianity'? Please, be logical.
Islam, in fact, has ordered muslims to RESPECT other religions too.
IN LAHORE 2014 .. POLICE WATCHED .. MOBS … MAY CURSES ANGERS OF ALLAH BE UPON NAAPAK KAAFIRS KILLERS BARBARIANS .. JOSEF COLONY WAS BURNT PRE -ELECTIONS .. CHURCH ATTACKED BOMBED MANY KILLED KPK UNDER NOSES OF IMRANKHAN ALL HARAAMS GOONS .. WHERE IS MULLA QUADRI ? what do politicians say ? where is IMRANKHAN ? NAWAZ SHARIF ?
It seems god has condemned the subcontinent to a cycle of perpetual hatred :'-(
I could not agree more
This is extremely sad as there were a group of 3-4000 people. This shows how insane are the thoughts of general people of Pakistan. Just imagine burning a women who is pregnant and had 3 children with her husband. Who can prove she has descrenated quran. Infact the people who has done has bought a shame on Islam. Really a shame for you all. Hope you people may live and die in Pakistan with no one else in the world bothering about you.
What is wrong with these people? they just took two lives – in fact three, counting the unborn baby- and orphaned three children! A cruel, barbaric and completely unforgivable act. I pray for justice, I pray for tolerance, I pray the murderers get their comeuppance…
Once more a barbarian violence hits Christians, and the Police arrives always too late! What a SHAME!
And a Christian women is since four years in prison on false charges of blasphemy, but the judges don't dare to free her because they are scared by those ignorant fanatics who idolize a book (something a true religion should avoid)! 🙁
How long must we wait for JUSTICE?
Stop hatred and persecution in the name of God!!!!
If a Muslim disrespect Bible,Christians would also kill Muslim like that woman.But burning a pregnant woman is completely foreign to Islamic tradition.Even Pastor Terry Jones burns our Holy Quran but our Islam don’t teaches us to even abuse him,because God will see him at the day of judgment.
Sorry, but you are wrong: Christians do not idolize the Bible as Muslim do with the Quran.
Jesus taught us to love even those who hate us. If someone attacks a person "in the name of God" he's going against His will.
In western countries Muslims have the same rights of the native; but sometime they are so arrogant that pretend to impose their views and traditions to those who have welcomed them without discrimination.
They should learn tolerance and respect for those who do not think like them.
@Maoro Zanzi
Does Jesus teaches you to burn the Holy Quran?
Please point out where the news article states that pages of the Quran were burnt. It is written there that the lady burnt black magic amulets. Now I don't know what was in them since I've never seen one, but I'm sure black magic does not use words from a holy book.
@ray
I’m taking about Pastor Terry Jones burning the Holy Quran.
No, Jesus doesn't teach that, perhaps because the Quran wasn't written yet…
Pastor Terry Jones is just a pastor, he doesn't rapresent anyone but himself. On the contrary, I could find many many imam and islamic spiritual leaders full of hatred against christians and christian doctrine. And many of them still confound the secularized western countries with christianity! Why are christians in Iraq so persecuted by the ISIS, if is not so?
And in the USA you have Pastor Terry Jones, but you have also the freedom of speech, the freedom to build mosques, to preach your religion etc etc. If a christian goes to Saudi Arabia, he is not even allowed to take a Bible with him… so, where there is more religious freedom? In Pakistan, In Saudi arabia, Iran… or the USA?
Finally, I don't know why you ask this… it's odd…
1) is not proven that the woman actually burned the Quran
2) even if they accidentally burned it, is it worh it to burn a pregnant woman, her husband, and leaving three children alone? Who is the victim here, the Noble and Holy Quran, or the lives of two (no, sorry, three, there was a baby) people? You have already answered to this question by yourself, so why asking about pastor Terry Jones?
Please stop justifying these vile evil acts that are being done by hypocritical muslims..
Good deeds speak louder than mindless words..
it is paper with ink on it. Who cares whether someone burns this or not? Why would any god, even if they existed, actually care about this? These people are mentally deficient. Stay in the stoneage and leave the rest of the world alone.
This is observation of a person totally devoid of mind. Total population of Hindus is till today hardly touches this figure. Despite thousand years rule in India they remained in minority. In such a situation can one think of hearing this gossip such barbaric example hardly exists before USA became solo super power when she became barbaric and since then race barbarism continues. Beasts in shape of human were equipped by USA and general public in Pakistan is upset
Mr. Kahn,
Terry Jones is the fringe pastor of a little church. He has zero credibility with most Americans and most Christians. Having said that, please tell me how Terry Jones is related to the MURDER of two people who were ACCUSED of desecrating a Quran? It appears to me that between 3,000 and 4,000 people in Pakistan have stomped all over the Quran by ignoring what it says about how to treat other people. This action discredits Islam and discredits Pakistan.
@Tom Robinson
You can’t defend Terry Jones burning the Holy Quran.I don’t know how much you Christians have respect for your Bible but our Quran is very dear to us.Our life is our Quran and Americans easily disrespects it.
As far as Pakistanis not obeying Quran is that because the 2000-3000 people burned that couple are illiterate people and they will burn in hell.But in USA even literate people disrespects the Holy Quran.USA is a secular state and it don’t have any national religion,so why Muslims are so harshly treated in USA? We in Pakistan don’t disprescts foreigners when they come here.
@Awais Kahn,
I DIDN’T defend Terry Jones. To repeat what I said above, Terry Jones is nobody.
Regarding your other comments…The crowd was estimated, by a Pakistani newspaper, to be 3,000 to 4,000, not 2000-3000. Muslims are NOT harshly treated in the U.S. They build mosques and practice their religion. Between 1990 and 2000 the Pakistani population of the U.S. grew from about 83,000 to 204,000. Why would they be coming if things are so bad for them here? I think you’re wrong about respect for foreigners in Pakistan. I think Daniel Pearl would agree with me….Oh wait, he can’t. A Pakistani cut off his head.
Does Muhammat teaches you to kill and rape,
@jay
No Muhammad does not teaches us to rape.Like when your God raped the Virgin Mary.
If christians were like certain muslims, and their laws were the same of Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, you would have been condamned to death, Shehrayar Khan…
What you said is really outrageous, and vulgar, and stupid, and even not islamic. Even in the Quran is written that Mary was virgin and the birth of Jesus was a miracle…
So, may be you're just trolling
@Davidec88
And have you not seen what a Christian jay said about Prophet Muhammad?
I don't know what are you talking about…
Anyway, Muhammad life is not so good for me, even if he must be placed in the context of his time. He married 13 wifes (2 at child age), he killed or ordered to kill many people, he fought wars…
The problem with Christians is that the majority of them is not similiar to Jesus, but thank God the majority of Muslims is far better than Muhammad!
About the user Jay (if you are referring to him) we even don't know if he is a christian (because to criticize Muhammad is not necessary to be christian!), and he was just writing down a question!
This is a wron g act and cannot be defended.After this: Here i see some christians shows themselves very ideal people, talk about love etc. Please repeat 1000 times sugar,sugar,sugar,sugar,is your mouth sweet.No. Then saying love means nothing. In Europe more than 180.000.000 ppl died in intersectarian conflicts and wars, Vatican several times formed nasty street collected looters armies for capturing Jerusalem. Turks confronted 9 of them, just 1 from the sea. They tortured many scientists like Galileo, cut stomachs of millions of innocents by catholic enquisition decisions because there was evil. Un ending crimes. Now get rich by thefts of other ppls resources, wealth, and now in relative richness. when west economy declines will be the same things repeated. So you are not in position to give any lesson!!!!!
Forcefully convert all non Muslims under Muslim control or pay taxes or face death. Would any one know what would happen to Muslims minorities in counties if this kind of law is forced upon them. History is full of such acts. And now happening in Levant. So current generation Muslims need not have to take such high moral ground. Past has been very bloody in the name of religion.
The barbaric out fits came in to existence after strafing Muslim countries and above all they were equipped by west. This whole affair has turned Pakistani society reactionary. These barbaric organizations exploit the situation
@Tom Robinson
What do mean by Terry Jones is nobody? He’s an American.And Muslims are harshly treated in USA after 9/11,there’s no doubt in it.Daniel Pearl was killed by Al-Qaeda not Pakistan.If you really think that Pakistan killed Daniel Pearl so why Pakistan don’t killed an American Raymond Davis when he killed two Pakistanis in Lahore?
@Tom Robinson
What do you mean by Terry Jones is nobody? He’s an American.And Muslims are harshly treated in USA after 9/11,there’s no doubt in it.Daniel Pearl was killed by Al-Qaeda not Pakistan.If you really think Pakistan killed Daniel Pearl so why Pakistan don’t killed an American Raymond Davis when he killed two Pakistanis in Lahore?
@ ALI: you should study history better, before showing us your ignorance.
– Galileo was never, never, tortured (read his history, he was condamned to pray the rosary every day for reparation, a pray that actually his daughters made for him, and to remain for a period in a villa);
– the Roman Inquisition (the only one lead by the Vatican) never killed "millions of people" (actually, it happens that is responsable of barely two thousands deaths in more than 5 hundred years; and avoided in catholic countries the irrational witch-hunt, mainly a practice of protestant countries in the 15-16th centuries);
– the crusades were also wars of defense against the upcoming islamic invasion: did you know that North Africa was once christian? and also Iraq, Syria, Turkey… Who conquered who? and did you know why all the southern europe coast is full of towers and walls of defense? because of invasions such as the one happened in Otranto in 1480, 14th August…. and the crusades were also wars to protect the christian pilgrims there, from fools like Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah.. did you know that before the first crusade, in 1077, Atsız ibn Uvaq killed around 3000 christians in Jerusalem?
– and last, even if colonialism has many dark aspects (such as, as you say, the exploitation of other countries): 1) Europe wasn't the only one (ex. the market of slaves was mainly a business for Arabs and the Ottoman Empire) 2) the colonialism has also positive aspects, such as the development of schooling, housing and healthcare in poor countries 3) Europe wasn't rich only because of what was stolen. The richness of Europe depended firstly on European work, science, industry…
Are you crazy? In what century does that (a Christian killing a Muslim over blasphemy) happen? And since when does burning a book – however blasphemic and misguided that is – compares with burning a person?
Do you DARE to say that God or the Prophet (PUBH) ever prescribed that?
We Christians dont kill anyone who burn bible or talk against jesus, because Jesus teaches us to love and forgive one and another we are people of peace. Tel me one case where some Muslim has been killed for burning the bible?
im a christian and would never respond with violence because the bible was insulted. Muslims in my city preach lies about the bible and Jesus, they are sincere but mistaken. It would be criminally unjust to kill anyone for their religious convictions. A father disciplines those he loves. Unchecked chaos and mob rule is its own form of punishment against those who live like that. It is a tragedy that those poor people were killed. Just as it is when Muslims are.
you people dont have humanity even…..no religion or no holy books teaches us to kill innocent people…….the day is very near when all of you will be burnt alive….wait and watch……all the evil things will come to you and you all will die very soon………
We are in Pakistan living in a stonage and as a Muslims we forgot message of Prophet Muhammad (SAWW) tolrenace and forgivness. These attacks are being increased in the counyry day by day and law enforcement agencies should take preventive measures before such incident happens. Peoples have not right to take the law in thier own hands.
you guys are fighting like ignorants, stop arguing and stupid baseless facts like lawyers and LOOK at whats happening. people are DYING, being KILLED and Controlled/manipulated by using religion (any religion)! PERIOD!
learn to live with tolerance. THAT’S
Tolerance is a political ideology too and political ideology like religion can also lead to egregiously mistaken behaviour. It’s the human condition not isolated to the religious. Some people make money, family, love, intellect, power or other things into their own religion after all-their own source of transcendent meaning, joy, hope, forgiveness and self image. Making a good thing into an ultimate thing is idolatry.
@ray
I’m talking about Pastor Terry Jones burning the Holy Quran.
Does Muhammad teach you to burn Christians? Just like you asked if Jesus teaches to burn the Quran.
@Abbu
You should ask this from Pastor Terry Jones.
You burn and kill people based on silly doubts and allegations coming out of madness over a religion and then you are trying to justify it by comparing the same with a pastor burning the khuran. There is nothing humanistic in your country. Thank god I am not in your pathetic country. The day is not so long … you will face the judgement day once when the whole world will turn against you. Learn to love and respect lives first not the religion.
The end of times are near, and nobody is in more of a worst state than the Muslims. May their Prophet save them, otherwise they only deserve to burn in hell.
@Muslim
Absolutely,including you.
Enough has-been said from both sides and now discussing has become nonsense. This also reveals neither side lack nonsense
We pakistanies are wrong kind of muslims who illiterate, ignorant , blinds and belive in ulema-e-soo (mullah) who teaches wrong ideas to these ignorant people. Also, people are misusing the blasphemy law to take revenge. This situation must change for the sake of peace and harmony.
Else why we would have had bloody partision in the name of religion. Breaking centuries old tradition of living peacefully with people of so many different faith, race, etc.
May God Bless the victims' families and the murderers as well. Jesus Christ blessed and forgave his persecutors and Christians similarly forgive – remember Gladys Staines! But how long will Pakistani Muslim clergy, politicians and devout Muslims (anywhere) be blind to the hatred and hypocrisy practiced in the name of religion? It's good to see Muslims on this forum speaking out. Would that there be more!
Zionists USA headed by the CIA are at work! cia very busy in Islamic Pakistan are always in hurry to portray Ir Pakistan with such negative happenings! Zionist USA CIA agents are responsible we the Muslims a christians have for centuries living together in peace, cia stop your machinations!
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most pakistanis are grave worshippers brelvis they don't even know basic of islam
But the most violent and killers out fits are,who are in fact minority deobandis and wahabis , have brought the country under fire
Bloody sick religion.. no tolerance and respect for other religion persons.Muslims are the most uncivilised and the most barbaric ,un educated religion.Stop following it.
@azhar
I don’t know about Islam but does your religion teaches you to abuse other religion?
How a bout you ,it seams like your religion teaches you guys a bout killing,cuz Muslims are about killing all the time,hungry for human blood huh,by the way i m Buddiest lol,
In fact it is the regions good or bad, nothing to do with the religion. Even the one country Pakistan contain caring regions and the bad regions have polluted tolerant regions
It's just orrible, and reading here someone who tries to justify (implicitally) these acts… I feel really bad!
I would prefer to stay in silence, but I simply can not!
@ ALI: you should study history better, before showing us your ignorance.
– Galileo was never, never, tortured (read his history, he was condamned to pray the rosary every day for reparation, a pray that actually his daughters made for him, and to remain for a period in a villa);
– the Roman Inquisition (the only one lead by the Vatican) never killed "millions of people" (actually, it happens that is responsable of barely two thousands deaths in more than 5 hundred years; and avoided in catholic countries the irrational witch-hunt, mainly a practice of protestant countries in the 15-16th centuries);
– the crusades were also wars of defense against the upcoming islamic invasion: did you know that North Africa was once christian? and also Iraq, Syria, Turkey… Who conquered who? and did you know why all the southern europe coast is full of towers and walls of defense? because of invasions such as the one happened in Otranto in 1480, 14th August…. and the crusades were also wars to protect the christian pilgrims there, from fools like Al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah.. did you know that before the first crusade, in 1077, Atsız ibn Uvaq killed around 3000 christians in Jerusalem?
– and last, even if colonialism has many dark aspects (such as, as you say, the exploitation of other countries): 1) Europe wasn't the only one (ex. the market of slaves was mainly a business for Arabs and the Ottoman Empire) 2) the colonialism has also positive aspects, such as the development of schooling, housing and healthcare in poor countries 3) Europe wasn't rich only because of what was stolen. The richness of Europe depended firstly on European work, science, industry…
I didn't want to write down that, in front of such a terrible fact… But I couldn't keep in silence, even for the respect I have for these two innocent victims, and their children left alone.
@Davidec88, As I said i never approve any killing whatever race,belief or nation. Seems you are a catholic, I said in Europe cases like 100 years wars,intersectarian wars caused loss of more than 180.000.000 human deaths. Catholic enquisition cut stomach of people claiming there is evil inside. Crusaders have invented belt of virginity and chain to prevent escaping, with which they tie several people to make escaping unpractical. Galileo is only 1 example and there are several examples
You talk about otranto 1480, do you know how miserable,and dark were europe at that time.thats why they call dark middle ages. Turks came to teach you civilisation, schools and culture as you defend European colonialism!
First see your dark past and then talk according to it.Donot make generalisations. this wrong act cant be generalised on all muslims.
Editor why did you erase my previous comment? I have to express my idea openly.
Ah, sorry, I have absolutely to correct you on this, I read it now better ! The wars of religion in Europe NEVER caused 180 million deaths!! This is simply impossible, because the population of Europe at the time was less than 100 million people …. Who taught you that? Even if is wikipedia, this is a good article to learn about these wars: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_wars_of_rel…
The worst conflict of the time, the Thirty Years' War, caused around 4-6 millions deaths, and the majority of deaths were civilians, affected by poor health conditions and starvation in a continous state of war…
(this was the first message) Sorry, I actually didn't want to reply to you to avoid an useless discussion, in front of a tragedy. Which is the thing is going to happen now….
Anyway, let me say this, you are just showing more ignorance, I really invite you to study more, and not to remain in your prejudices:
1) For the war of religion, I agree with you, is a scandal in christian history. And after all, I didn't reply anything on this. The good thing is that after almost 100 years, these wars ended. Is similiar to the conflict between Shias and Sunnis muslims, but their conflict is still going on… I just wanted to correct you above on the number of deaths.
2) Just tell me one case of a stomach cut by the Inquisition, and where is written "because there was evil inside" (which is impossible, because for christianity the human body is sanctuary of the Holy Spirit: which is the reason why, I can tell you that because I'm a doctor, the real development in the study of anatomy was in Europe, after the approval by the Pope on the study of the human body by dissection, the study of human body for the glory of the God that made himself human)
3) Otranto 1480 (but do you actually know what happened?? And is just one example, there are many similiar cases…) is a beheading of 800 civilians because of their refusal to convert to Islam… is this to teach civilisation??? And what you mean for "dark ages"? Are you still following the Enlightment and its historiography that NONE today consider serious, in its aprioristic condamnation of the Middle Ages and of Spanish history? (do you know what "leyenda negra" is?)
Let me think, Europe 1480… yes, this was the peryod of Humanism, Leonardo da Vinci, Pico of Mirandola, Marsilio Ficino, Lorenzo the Magnificent were there (just to name a few)… and CENTURIES BEFORE THE YEAR 1480 in Europe there were the building of the Cathedrals, the foundation (and the invention) of Universities, the foundation (and the invention) of Hospitals, the invention of the modern Bankary system in Florence, the beginning of travels across the Ocean and to China (ex. Marco Polo, or Bartolomeu Dias), the evolution of polyphonic music, authors in literature as Dante, Chaucer, Boccaccio, Petrarca, philosophers like Thomas of Aquinas… there were saints like Saint Francis, or Saint Benedict (one of the founder of european civilisations, with his simple motto "ora et labora et noli contristare"-"pray, and work, and never be sad!"
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4) It is true that the arrive of Turks taught many things to europeans, but this was mainly for the monks that were forced to escape and leave Bysantium after its conquest: these monks taught in western Europe the greek language, allowing the rediscovery of philosophers such as Plato and Aristotle. Europe learned a lot by Arab (not turk) philosophers, astronomists and matemathicians, but this was centuries before.With the Turks the relationship was alternating : periods of wars (the two sieges of Wien, Lepanto), periods of peace, periods of trade (mainly with Venice) but there never was a significant culture influence… Actually the countries conquered and colonised by Turks are still the less developed of Europe (think about Bulgaria, Romania, Albania etc.)
6) Sorry, but if you still consider the middle ages as an age of "darkness", I can only consider you an ignorant of history… Of course, there were dark aspects, as any other period of human history. But, in a larger overview, they can be consider as a period of growth and development, the true beginning of European civilisations. History is complex, and it must be studied well and deeply, basing the study on sources and documents, not on slogans and approximations…
Anyway, I never generalised this wrong act on all muslims. I simply can't agree with your dark, one-sided and false depiction of european (and christian) history…
7) Last, I didn't understand at all the thing you are saying on Crusaders (belt of virginity? chain invented by them? but chains were common even 1000 years before, during the Roman Empire!) Can you explain yourself better?
This is brutality, which must be punished. Blasphemy is committed every day when false oaths, pledges and statements are made after swearing on Holy Quran and placing your right hand on it.
How can anyone in their right mind justify such an EVIL act. What these people have done in the name of their ‘warped understanding of religion’ is ‘EVIL’!!!
They want to forcefully convert minorities to Islam and these disgraceful, vile acts are done to put more fear to the ‘poorer class’ living in rural areas.
We Christians can only pray for peace because our belief is grounded on love and forgiveness…. And I honestly believe that Islam teaches the same values….
These hypocrites need to be controlled as they are destroying the teachings of Islam!!
TRUE MUSLIMS TAKE CONTROL!!!
Oh God, without Muslims the world will be a safer and better place to live, they’ve caused too much problems already,why don’t you just burned them all:'(
Even wild animals are better. May the eternal God do the justice. May the eternal God hears the cry of the innocent blood and the cry of the orphend children.
Such un-Islamic practices is never condemned by the religious leaders, hence it emboldens such element to take law into their own hands….
The cleric in the mosque called for this crime through public address system. His followers carried out this crime. Any sensible human must think.
Comments also horrified by sincere Muslims, but never a strong condemnation of these facts by an authority of Islam. NEVER!
This is Islam: a satanic religion.
The poor now dead christian women discovered some amulets. She thought that they belonged to her father in law who practiced black magic.she burnt them. How was she to know that these amulets were from? Quran. Was she educated enough to know it? How many muslims given a piece of paper can distinguish it from bibel. A civilized community does not behave as barbaric but then pakistanis have have there own rules of being judge , jury and executioner. What we do and practice in Pakistan is no more domestic it is international. A great country is known by the way it treats it's minorities. In Pakistan vigilantes justice is practiced on them. The President, PM and the judiciary are scared to death. Dare i mention Saleem Taseer's murder. Neither the president nor the PM attended their Gov. funeral. Cry Pakistan the land of pure.
sharam karo sharam karo allah se daro haramzado kuto .
I am sorry to say that you Muslims are animals you want to be respected and enjoy equal rights when you are in other countries but treating other religions badly in your own countries….
FOR ALL MUSLIMS………………….
WHATEVER YOU DID WAS NOT TOLERABLE YOU ARE NOT HUMAN I AM SICK OF YOU AND YOUR BLOODY RELIGION.
All these persons (mostly) need review their utterances and seem violent themselves, what will they do if they happen to come face to face
Judging Islam on the basis of a few Muslims is like eating a rotten fruit and blaming the whole tree.
We strongly condemn the brutal murder of innocent Christian couple .We apologize to the whole Christian community on behalf of Pakistan
Is there anything we can do to help those 3 kids left behind….even if we argue here we cant get them back just pray that justice for them may be serve..but for now im concerned about those 3 kids….i wanna help them…
This is not the first mob attack and murder in Pakistan. Infact we have around 12 such incidents in last 13 years. This lynching will rise if we don't punish all those involved in above incidents hastily and 'WITHOUT MERCY'. its time we 'BEHEAD' them in public, even if they are in the 'THOUSANDS', to prevent total chaos, murder, barbarism, lawlessness, tyranny and our country.
To behead the murders (thousands of common people), it would apport only more chaos, murder, barbarism, lawlessness and tyranny.
For me it woul be very important to stop, and put into prison, the imams and preachers of hate, the true responsibles, the ones who incited the crowd with their lies.
As a Pakistani Muslim I observed that Hinduism teaches its followers to respect other religions more than Christianity.
I hope that the U.S bombs all of Pakistan. I feel sorry for the stupid western women that sleep and marry Muslim men. Christian men need to start raping Muslim women. Do put my comment up because last year my Jewish friend was beaten to death in Egypt because he is Jewish. The Muslims all want the West's money yet the West is always bad. Need to wipe them out. I am an American woman. I think I will go looking for a Muslim woman here in American and kill her and her unborn baby. Want to watch you ugly, stupid Muslims. You all watch the movie on YouTube! Stupid backward country of Pakistan doesn't even have YouTube.
What a stupid and otragious comment…
I hope you're just a stupid troll, go trolling somewhere else!
I hope that Afia Siddiqui get raped in Texas. I hope that she gets impregnated by guards and then her unborn child is killed. Her mother and sister can just weep to death, ha ha ha. That would be so funny.
Talk about intolerance. Stupid country of Pakistan, these disgusting Punjabi soldiers killed Bangladeshis & they couldn't even keep Bangladesh. They want to take Kashmir. I just wander when Shaneira Thompson is going to divorce Wasim Akram just like Jemima dumped Imran Khan. These are the open minded good respected Muslims of Pakistan that drank alcohol, did drugs and used western women for sex and are allowed to run for office. When a Muslim woman is raped, she is killed by her family & neighbors. This happens in most of Pakistan where most of the population is rural and poor.
Problems in the west too but the west is much better than the Muslim world, the fact that all Muslims want to go live in a Muslim country speaks for itself.
Talk about intolerance. Stupid country of Pakistan, these disgusting Punjabi soldiers killed Bangladeshis & they couldn't even keep Bangladesh. They want to take Kashmir. I just wander when Shaneira Thompson is going to divorce Wasim Akram just like Jemima dumped Imran Khan. These are the open minded good respected Muslims of Pakistan that drank alcohol, did drugs and used western women for sex and are allowed to run for office. When a Muslim woman is raped, she is killed by her family & neighbors. This happens in most of Pakistan where most of the population is rural and poor.
There are problems and crime in the west too. The fact that all Muslims want to live in the west and not their own disgusting countries says something. The western countries are better than them for the most part!
If people are going to decide it themselves, then what is the purpose of law against blasphemy
Issue isnt with Islam. Our prophet had so much love and respect for other faiths desipte the fact they refused to follow his religion. We at the end of the day are all people of God. These uneducated Islam so called 'leaders' need to be put in prison. No one should allow to become a religious leader if they have so much hate inside them. Religion = love, not hate.
Surely all those involved will die a horrible death. For those who live in Pakistan, I urgue you to protect your fellow non-muslim neighbours.
Mushtaq Dean:
The murder of Christian couple at Kot Radha Kishan, Punjab, through beating them, dragging them on the ground, breaking their legs and finally throwing them into burning brick kiln for incineration is an occurrence never witnessed before.
Since the victims are poor and minority, people do not hold strong hopes against the perpetrators. Threats, bribes, compensation, recommendations, religious harmony, sycophant approach and political influence etc would come forward to help them.
However, most of people hit the incident with indignation and developments that have occurred so far are encouraging.
Chairman Pakistan Islamic Council demanded Judicial Inquiry of the case and visited the affected family along with 50 Islamic Scholars. A number of Dignitaries notably CM Punjab, Amir Jamat-e-Islami, Father James Chanon and MQM delegation paid visit to the wretched family. The national and International community, media, NGOS and organizations stood shoulder to shoulder with the affected people.
Prime Minister, Mr Nawaz Shrif showed his frown calling the incident “unacceptable”
Chief Minister Punjab, Mr Shahbaz Shrif is determined to take strict action against the perpetrators.
Chief Justice Supreme Court Pakistan, Mr Nasir ul Mulk has taken SUO Moto Notice on the incident. That has raised the expectations for justice.
The World is watching the proceeding knowing that outcome would restore the good image of Pakistan and certainly would comfort the spirit of Quaid-e-Azam who said minorities are “asset” of Pakistan
Mushtaq Dean, Sialkot
It was the big Example of Misuse of Blasphemy lay.
What we are doing, why we perform our action without thinking?
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